can heroes not equip sunspear skills like 'cry of pain'? - Guild Wars Forums

Saelfaer · Feb 12, 2012, 02:10 PM // 14:10

hi,

i used cry of pain in my own build as a mesmer, though now i'm playing my ranger, and would like to equip a hero with that skill in his build.

i have aquired the skill, if i change myself to Ranger - mesmer i can equip it myself

but for some reason i cannot find it in the list of skills equipable on my mesmer hero, nor can i load it from a template.

now i've been looking at the wiki for cry of pain, and sunspear skills, but can't find any restriction noted for heroes... can anyone shed some light on this?

Maya Cerestiez · Feb 12, 2012, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Heroes cannot use the so called PvE skills. The Eotn rank skills, Luxon/kurzick and sunspear/lightbringer + signet of capture.

loopysnoopy · Feb 12, 2012, 02:20 PM // 14:20

heroes can not equip those skills as they're pve only skills

This segment taken from wiki

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_PvE-only_skills
PvE-only skills are only accessible to roleplaying characters and only usable in PvE areas. PvE-only skills can be learned by a roleplaying character, but cannot be unlocked for the account. A character can only equip three PvE-only skills at a time, with the exception of minigames (such as Polymock) and disguises (such as Junundu). Heroes cannot equip PvE-only skills; the exceptions are Junundu skills and titles which affect all character's heroes.

Gabs88 · Feb 12, 2012, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Basically that's the advantage you get for playing with real players over heroes. Otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to anymore.

GODh · Feb 12, 2012, 02:26 PM // 14:26

heroes work the same a pvp-only chars (they cant equip pve-only skills either)

* to sum it up:
- heroes cant use pve-only skills
- pvp-only chars cant use pve-only skills
- pve chars can use pve-only skills, but max 3 at the same time and never in pvp

Saelfaer · Feb 12, 2012, 03:38 PM // 15:38

ok thanks,

that basically sums it up then

i looked in the cry of pain article on wiki, or in the sunspear page, but that piece of info below the 'pve-only' skill section i had not found yet. thanks for pointing it out!

Zenzai · Feb 12, 2012, 07:35 PM // 19:35

And who is to say the AI would use those skills well even if they could? They can't even get some regular skills right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabs88

Basically that's the advantage you get for playing with real players over heroes. Otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to anymore.

DiabolicaRobotica · Jun 06, 2012, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Then why does Pikin the Hero Skill trainer in Kamadan offer to teach you Sunspear skills? (And will take your hero skill points in exchange for them.) I thought I was crazy at first, after buying 2 skills to equip to heroes and then not finding them on any skill trees. Seems like having them available for training from the hero trainer just causes a lot of unnecessary confusion - if heroes can't use them, don't let the hero skill trainer teach them.

Snograt · Jun 06, 2012, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Always been a bit odd that you can buy skills from a hero skill trainer that your heros can't use.

Premium Unleaded · Jun 06, 2012, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Hero skill points were a way for ANet to give players skill points without also giving players a shitload of money because buying them will easily bankrupt people just starting off, as well as to space out skill acquisition.
As for why it was named as such, it's not the first time they've named something in a way which will confuse people/isn't consistent with everything else.

Gabs88 · Jun 06, 2012, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenzai

And who is to say the AI would use those skills well even if they could? They can't even get some regular skills right.

Who's to say players use them well? xD

I've done some comparisons between Pugs and Heroways myself a few months back. Running Zaishen dailys with multiple different pugs and then doing a run with heroes to compare. If you only consider time used to complete the missions the average pug used between 2 and 2,5 times longer then me playing with heroes and some bad ones not completing at all or spending 3-4 times longer. And that's without taking in to account the 5-15 minutes it takes to form a pug group.

Feb 12, 2012, 02:10 PM // 14:10	#1
Saelfaer Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: The Blitzers Guild	can heroes not equip sunspear skills like 'cry of pain'? hi, i used cry of pain in my own build as a mesmer, though now i'm playing my ranger, and would like to equip a hero with that skill in his build. i have aquired the skill, if i change myself to Ranger - mesmer i can equip it myself but for some reason i cannot find it in the list of skills equipable on my mesmer hero, nor can i load it from a template. now i've been looking at the wiki for cry of pain, and sunspear skills, but can't find any restriction noted for heroes... can anyone shed some light on this?

Feb 12, 2012, 02:26 PM // 14:26	#5
GODh Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: BFTW and DLRR	heroes work the same a pvp-only chars (they cant equip pve-only skills either) * to sum it up: - heroes cant use pve-only skills - pvp-only chars cant use pve-only skills - pve chars can use pve-only skills, but max 3 at the same time and never in pvp Last edited by GODh; Feb 12, 2012 at 05:17 PM // 17:17..

Jun 06, 2012, 06:01 PM // 18:01	#8
DiabolicaRobotica Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Seattle, WA Profession: Rt/N	Then why does Pikin the Hero Skill trainer in Kamadan offer to teach you Sunspear skills? (And will take your hero skill points in exchange for them.) I thought I was crazy at first, after buying 2 skills to equip to heroes and then not finding them on any skill trees. Seems like having them available for training from the hero trainer just causes a lot of unnecessary confusion - if heroes can't use them, don't let the hero skill trainer teach them. Last edited by DiabolicaRobotica; Jun 06, 2012 at 06:05 PM // 18:05.. Reason: Not enough coffee to spell correctly yet.

Jun 06, 2012, 07:20 PM // 19:20	#9
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Always been a bit odd that you can buy skills from a hero skill trainer that your heros can't use. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Feb 12, 2012, 02:16 PM // 14:16	#2
Maya Cerestiez Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sweden Guild: HYAHHHHH!	Heroes cannot use the so called PvE skills. The Eotn rank skills, Luxon/kurzick and sunspear/lightbringer + signet of capture.

Feb 12, 2012, 02:20 PM // 14:20	#3
loopysnoopy Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: England Guild: The Ministery Of Cookies (MC) Profession: W/Mo	heroes can not equip those skills as they're pve only skills This segment taken from wiki http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_PvE-only_skills PvE-only skills are only accessible to roleplaying characters and only usable in PvE areas. PvE-only skills can be learned by a roleplaying character, but cannot be unlocked for the account. A character can only equip three PvE-only skills at a time, with the exception of minigames (such as Polymock) and disguises (such as Junundu). *Heroes cannot equip PvE-only skills; the exceptions are Junundu skills and titles which affect all character's heroes.*

Feb 12, 2012, 02:25 PM // 14:25	#4
Gabs88 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2011	Basically that's the advantage you get for playing with real players over heroes. Otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to anymore.

Feb 12, 2012, 03:38 PM // 15:38	#6
Saelfaer Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: The Blitzers Guild	ok thanks, that basically sums it up then i looked in the cry of pain article on wiki, or in the sunspear page, but that piece of info below the 'pve-only' skill section i had not found yet. thanks for pointing it out!

Jun 06, 2012, 07:52 PM // 19:52	#10
Premium Unleaded Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005	Hero skill points were a way for ANet to give players skill points without also giving players a shitload of money because buying them will easily bankrupt people just starting off, as well as to space out skill acquisition. As for why it was named as such, it's not the first time they've named something in a way which will confuse people/isn't consistent with everything else.